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line breaks between paragraphs don't show up on some pages
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Izno
Authored By
Novem_Linguae
Aug 29 2026, 8:46 AM2026-08-29 08:46:21 (UTC+0)
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isaacl
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Description

Steps to replicate the issue (include links if applicable):

  • Visit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)&oldid=1371914588&useskin=vector&safemode=1#c-Novem_Linguae-20260829083200-SPerry-WMF-20260827174100

What happens?:

  • No visible line breaks between paragraphs

image.png (2,159×681 px, 204 KB)

What should have happened instead?:

  • Visible line break between paragraphs. Could be a half em or a full em.

image.png (924×166 px, 27 KB)

Software version (on Special:Version page; skip for WMF-hosted wikis like Wikipedia):

Other information (browser name/version, screenshots, etc.):

  • The wikicode used here is similar to:
:Paragraph 1
:Paragraph 2
  • I am unable to reproduce the bug in my sandbox.

image.png (924×166 px, 27 KB)

  • But I am able to reproduce it by visiting the above linked page in safe mode. So there is a wider steps to reproduce possible, but I am not sure what it is yet.
  • Tagging as parser for now, but may need to change the tag depending on the root cause.
  • Is reproducible on multiple skins, so seems unlikely to be CSS-related.

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OpenFeatureNoneT436439 there should be visible space (margin) between paragraphs indented in wikicode using a colon
ResolvedBUG REPORTIznoT436428 line breaks between paragraphs don't show up on some pages
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T436439: there should be visible space (margin) between paragraphs indented in wikicode using a colon

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Novem_Linguae created this task.Aug 29 2026, 8:46 AM2026-08-29 08:46:21 (UTC+0)
Restricted Application added a subscriber: Aklapper. · View Herald TranscriptAug 29 2026, 8:46 AM2026-08-29 08:46:22 (UTC+0)
Novem_Linguae updated the task description. (Show Details)Aug 29 2026, 8:46 AM2026-08-29 08:46:53 (UTC+0)
JJMC89 subscribed.Aug 29 2026, 8:56 AM2026-08-29 08:56:17 (UTC+0)
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dd on English Wikipedia talk pages have extra top and bottom margins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&oldid=1369120317#L-36--L-40

Novem_Linguae added a comment.Aug 29 2026, 9:06 AM2026-08-29 09:06:03 (UTC+0)
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/* Same spacing for indented and unindented paragraphs on talk pages */
.ns-talk .mw-body-content dd {
	margin-top: 0.4em;
	margin-bottom: 0.4em;
}

Hmm. Interesting. OK, that's the root cause. I'm not in .ns-talk on the page I linked in the ticket.

So dd margins aren't built into MediaWiki core? So if I'm not on an English Wikipedia talk page and I want the line break to be visible, I should write code like this?

:Test

:Test

What about when I type the following into DiscussionTools in visual mode or in source mode?

Test

Test

DiscussionTools writes the following wikicode in both visual mode and source mode, erasing my line break.

:Test
:Test

Hmm. I'm not sure exactly what direction to go in, but it feels like there's a bug here somewhere.

Novem_Linguae added a comment.Aug 29 2026, 9:11 AM2026-08-29 09:11:29 (UTC+0)
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I've posted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Common.css#Line_breaks_between_paragraphs_missing_on_noticeboards to explore fixing this on the enwiki side.

Nardog subscribed.Aug 29 2026, 10:03 AM2026-08-29 10:03:57 (UTC+0)
isaacl subscribed.Aug 29 2026, 4:03 PM2026-08-29 16:03:42 (UTC+0)
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In T436428#12268003, @Novem_Linguae wrote:
Hmm. Interesting. OK, that's the root cause. I'm not in `.ns-talk` on the page I linked in the ticket.

So dd margins aren't built into MediaWiki core? So if I'm not on an English Wikipedia talk page and I want the line break to be visible, I should write code like this?

:Test

:Test

Please don't leave a blank line between list items that are within the same list hierarchy. This closes the first list and opens a new list, which causes screen readers to make extra list end/start announcements. It also can lead to the visual diff capability highlighting supposed changes that aren't actually changes.

Novem_Linguae closed this task as Resolved.Aug 29 2026, 11:35 PM2026-08-29 23:35:15 (UTC+0)
Novem_Linguae assigned this task to Izno.
Novem_Linguae removed a project: MediaWiki-Parser.
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My downstream Common.css patch got merged, so this ticket is solved for the time being. I will mark it as resolved.

Isaacl makes a great point about screen readers.

I've gone ahead and filed T436439: there should be visible space (margin) between paragraphs indented in wikicode using a colon to explore the broader issue of upstreaming the Common.css fix and fixing this for all wikis, in a way that doesn't break accessibility.

Novem_Linguae added a parent task: T436439: there should be visible space (margin) between paragraphs indented in wikicode using a colon.Aug 29 2026, 11:35 PM2026-08-29 23:35:56 (UTC+0)
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